[08:56] <mspevack> who's here?
[08:57] <mdomsch> me
[08:57] <mspevack> howdy matt
[08:57] Action: skvidal is here
[09:00] <mspevack> on the phone -- max, seth, matt, paul
[09:01] <mspevack> and bill nottingham is here too
[09:01] <mdomsch> bill enters the room
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[09:03] <mspevack> the press is here, quick everyone leave :-)
[09:03] <mspevack> hi jon
[09:03] <corbet> Sigh.  Maybe I need a new, anonymous nick...:)
[09:04] <mspevack> so, i think we're about ready to get started given that we've got 5 people
[09:05] <mspevack> we're starting with the simple stuff -- basically just checking to make sure that the folks who are here right now are going to be at FUDCon
[09:05] <mspevack> everyone is planning on being there, but everyone also still needs to buy their tickets
[09:05] <mspevack> max -- how goes the new world of RPM?
[09:05] <mspevack> seth -- there was lots of good discussion on the lists (look at the archives) and then christmas happened
[09:06] <mspevack> seth is planning on talking to nasrat and schroeder when they get back
[09:07] <mspevack> max -- is the goal to have a RPM release before Fedora 7?
[09:07] <mspevack> seth -- no goal has been set yet, but seems like it would be a reasonably smart thing to do
[09:07] <mspevack> it's going to have to be planned
[09:09] <mspevack> max -- talking about thl's desire to have a more open f-a-b list
[09:09] <mspevack> paul -- along with the entire "mailing list reorganization" goal
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[09:12] <mspevack> max -- we need someone to lead the whole process.  perhaps thl?
[09:12] Action: thl can do that
[09:12] Action: thl is currently in the kitchen and mostly afk, sorry
[09:13] <mspevack> thl: that would be fantastic.  i can work with you from the red hat side to get all the changes actually made
[09:13] <mspevack> seth -- what will happen to the old lists
[09:13] <mspevack> max -- we'll just turn off new posts, keep archives forever
[09:13] <mspevack> matt -- also can set up aliases to redirect posts to a new, correct place
[09:16] <mspevack> max -- new ideas for Fedora board meetings
[09:16] <mspevack> one week -- general meeting
[09:17] <mspevack> next week -- specific meeting about 1 or two projects, with the leaders of those projects invited
[09:18] <mspevack> max will get in touch with karsten and see if next week can focus on docs
[09:19] <mspevack> rahul -- we made progress on the Art project over vacation, but Max needs to go back and follow up on it
[09:19] <mspevack> Max will do that this week
[09:19] <mspevack> we don't want to have to scramble for the artwork at the last minute
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[09:22] <mspevack> basically max was trying to solve the problem a bit over vacation, and needs to keep working on it.  need to make sure we can have leadership, but also make sure people know their contributions are valued
[09:23] <couf> will there be some love for l10n?
[09:25] <mspevack> max -- talking about his goal to try to figure out mass producing of LiveCD's + USB keys for giveaway and possible sales
[09:26] <mspevack> rahul -- what about making just a USB stick that is bootable and also has storage?  max needs to talk to davidz
[09:26] <mspevack> paul -- anything solidified in terms of accomodations for FUDCon?
[09:27] <mspevack> *general chatter about all of us trying to stay in the same hotel*
[09:27] <mspevack> any quesitons/topics from IRC?
[09:27] <mspevack> our agenda is kind of light due to vacation
[09:28] <f13> Any suggested Wiki namespace to start fleshing out details of the next release?
[09:28] <mspevack> wiki/Fedora7/*
[09:28] <f13> for me particularly what would be the payload of things like the Desktop spin and the Server spin
[09:29] <mspevack> f13: you mean how we decide what RPMs go into each?
[09:29] <f13> or just what rpms.
[09:30] <f13> "how" we decide is largely organic I think and hard to define.  I'm just more interested in WHAT will go in.
[09:31] <mspevack> f13: i would hope that maybe you would lead us in that -- a good chance to figure out what stuff in Core 6 is superfluous, and what stuff in Extras we want to pull in.  Come up with 2 solid recipes, and let people review them?
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[09:31] <stickster> rahul -- launchpad-like system for tracking progress for each F7 target item
[09:32] <f13> mspevack: something like that.
[09:32] <stickster> seth -- yes, do this with the wiki
[09:32] <f13> stickster: that requires a launchpad-like system.  I"d rather just use the wiki
[09:32] <stickster> f13, seth: +1
[09:32] <mspevack> rahul -- what do folks think of putting every single package on media?
[09:32] <f13> Some things will probably get a trac instance, like the buildsystem.  Pungi already has one.  Pilgrim might get one.
[09:33] <f13> mspevack: not something I"d want to ask the mirrors to host
[09:33] <mspevack> most people would like to keep Fedora's printed release to 1 DVD
[09:33] <f13> they already host every single package, why do it twice?
[09:33] <mspevack> f13: nod, i agree with you
[09:34] <mspevack> matt -- creating images is easy
[09:34] <mspevack> if someone like cheapbytes wants to produce them, why not?
[09:34] <skvidal> http://joey.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/2006/12/28/q-what-should-end-user-graphics-in-fiesty-look-like-a-fedora/
[09:35] <mspevack> max -- we're already going to have 2 images for F7 that are official.  i'd be concerned about people getting confused if we started making extra CDs
[09:35] <mspevack> seth -- we need to make sure "additional spins" and non-official builds or livecds, etc are in a folder that mirror admins can easily exclude
[09:35] <f13> skvidal: interesting.
[09:36] <f13> mspevack: there is also some interesting legal issues with non-official builds.
[09:36] <f13> mspevack: export approval, SRPM hosting, etc...
[09:36] <mmcgrath> f13: are liable for that though?  if someone else does the work?
[09:37] <mspevack> f13: yeah, i actually have to follow up with our lawyers about some export control stuff they were talking to me about before xmas
[09:37] <f13> mmcgrath: If the Fedora name goes on it, and we host it somewhere on our mirroring system, yes we may be liable for it.
[09:38] <f13> having multiple spins of the distro poses some Legal questions we need cleared up.  Do we need export approval for each different spin of the isos, or...
[09:38] <mmcgrath> ah
[09:39] <mspevack> matt -- we don't require export approval before we put a package into extras
[09:39] <mspevack> paul -- is it just for crypto software?
[09:39] <mspevack> matt -- no, but they only critique the stuff with encryption
[09:39] <f13> mspevack: because those aren't spun into isos and "released" as a distribution.
[09:40] <f13> either way, we should just keep legal in the loop and get some clarification from them given our new release practices
[09:41] Action: mspevack will take this as a task
[09:48] <mspevack> *current conversation is a re-hash of all the NTFS stuff, and the fact that we never *REALLY* settled the whole thing.  NTFS 3g being the main question
[09:48] <mspevack> rahul is going to drive this, with max helping him get in touch with legal folks as needed
[09:49] <stickster> Yeah, let's disconnect the NTFS-3g issue and the kernel module NTFS issue
[09:49] <stickster> Because OIN is involved with one and not the other
[09:50] <mspevack> getting ready to adjourn -- starting with docs stuff and Karsten next week
[09:51] <mspevack> rahul -- relicensing of content from opl with restrictions to opl is one of the topics
[09:52] <mspevack> paul is in charge of the detailed docs part of next week's agenda
